{"id":606885,"date":"2021-03-11T10:06:31","date_gmt":"2021-03-11T10:06:31","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.architectsjournal.co.uk\/?p=606885"},"modified":"2021-03-11T10:06:31","modified_gmt":"2021-03-11T10:06:31","slug":"aj-climate-champions-podcast-owen-hatherley-on-modernism-will-hurst-explains-retrofirst","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.architectsjournal.co.uk\/news\/aj-climate-champions-podcast-owen-hatherley-on-modernism-will-hurst-explains-retrofirst","title":{"rendered":"AJ Climate Champions podcast: Owen Hatherley on Modernism + Will Hurst explains RetroFirst"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Author and critic Hatherley describes approaches to the retrofit of Modernist buildings, lessons learned from post-Soviet housing and why he thinks White Design\u2019s straw-bale Lilac Cohousing in Leeds could be a replicable new-build approach.<\/p>\n<p>Hurst explains the tactics and ambitions of the AJ\u2019s <a href=\"https:\/\/www.architectsjournal.co.uk\/news\/introducing-retrofirst-a-new-aj-campaign-championing-reuse-in-the-built-environment\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">RetroFirst<\/a> campaign, from engaging with MPs to raising public awareness, as well as the policy levers necessary to prioritise retrofit.<\/p>\n<p>And, in a quick news roundup, co-hosts Hattie Hartman and George Morgan share their views on <a href=\"https:\/\/www.architectsjournal.co.uk\/news\/zaha-hadid-architects-timberaprroved-by-efl\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Zaha Hadid Architects\u2019 Forest Green Rovers timber stadium proposal<\/a> and round up other sustainability news, including ACAN\u2019s <a href=\"https:\/\/765bf7ec-2dd0-4cf7-9b76-f2f379ab6a0f.filesusr.com\/ugd\/b22203_c17af553402146638e9bc877101630f3.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Carbon Footprint of Construction<\/a> report.<\/p>\n<p>You can catch up on previous episodes of AJ Climate Champions, featuring Maria Smith, Annalie Riches, Sofie Pelsmakers, Diana Dina, Sarah Wigglesworth and Anna Heringer, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.architectsjournal.co.uk\/podcasts\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">here<\/a>.<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Find Climate Champions on your favourite podcast app: subscribe via <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/1SFHoLtacs5fp1rOgENDl9?si=c0Rl25WCQpGm8tpvobBOdw\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Spotify<\/a>,\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/gb\/podcast\/climate-champions-with-hattie-hartman\/id1536913247\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Apple Podcasts<\/a>,\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.google.com\/feed\/aHR0cHM6Ly9mZWVkLnBvZGJlYW4uY29tL2FyY2hpdGVjdHNqb3VybmFsL2ZlZWQueG1s?sa=X&amp;ved=2ahUKEwjm6pr3sObsAhUUcxoKHUBbBiAQ4aUDegQIARAD&amp;hl=en-CH\">Google Podcasts<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.deezer.com\/us\/show\/1882312\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Deezer<\/a>\u00a0and <a href=\"https:\/\/architectsjournal.podbean.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Podbean<\/a><\/strong><\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/embed-podcast\/episode\/4KKLmGqIcJrviemICgMjai\" width=\"100%\" height=\"232\" frameborder=\"0\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<h3 style=\"text-align: center;\">Show notes: resources mentioned in this episode<\/h3>\n<h4 style=\"text-align: center;\">News roundup<\/h4>\n<div id=\"attachment_562135\" class=\" wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 947px;\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-image-562135 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com\/emap-nibiru-prod\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2017\/05\/02023447\/zha_forestgreenrender.jpg\" alt=\"Zha forest green render\" width=\"937\" height=\"546\" srcset=\"https:\/\/cdn.rt.emap.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2017\/05\/20011927\/zha_forestgreenrender.jpg 937w, https:\/\/cdn.rt.emap.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2017\/05\/20011927\/zha_forestgreenrender-300x175.jpg 300w, https:\/\/cdn.rt.emap.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2017\/05\/20011927\/zha_forestgreenrender-768x448.jpg 768w, https:\/\/cdn.rt.emap.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2017\/05\/20011927\/zha_forestgreenrender-230x134.jpg 230w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 937px) 100vw, 937px\" \/><p class=\"wp-caption-text\">Zaha Hadid Architects\u2019 all-timber stadium for Forest Green Rovers, due to complete in 2024, will have a CLT structure, as well as timber floor slabs and seating terraces.<\/p>\n\t<p class=\"inline_image_source\" style=\"max-width: 947px;\"><p class=\"empty_inline_source\"><\/p><\/p><\/div>\n<p>\u2022 ACAN embodied carbon report <a href=\"https:\/\/765bf7ec-2dd0-4cf7-9b76-f2f379ab6a0f.filesusr.com\/ugd\/b22203_c17af553402146638e9bc877101630f3.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Carbon Footprint of Construction<\/a><br \/>\n<a href=\"https:\/\/www.ribabooks.com\/energy-people-buildings-making-sustainable-architecture-work_9781859465875\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">\u2022 Energy People Buildings<\/a> by Judit Kimpian, Hattie Hartman, and Sofie Pelsmakers<br \/>\n<a href=\"https:\/\/summit.architectsjournal.co.uk\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">\u2022 AJ Summit<\/a> \u00a0March 25, 9 am-5 pm<br \/>\n<a href=\"https:\/\/www.architectsjournal.co.uk\/news\/aia-gold-medalist-2021-to-speak-at-aj-summit\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">\u2022 Ed Mazria<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/architecture2030.org\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Architecture 2030.<\/a> Ed Mazria of New Mexico-based Architecture 2030 will speak at the AJ Summit on March 25<br \/>\n<a href=\"https:\/\/www.architectsjournal.co.uk\/news\/zaha-hadid-architects-timberaprroved-by-efl\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">\u2022 Forest Green Rovers stadium<\/a>, Zaha Hadid Architects (<em>pictured<\/em>)<br \/>\n\u2022 MHCLG, <a href=\"https:\/\/assets.publishing.service.gov.uk\/government\/uploads\/system\/uploads\/attachment_data\/file\/957205\/National_Model_Design_Code.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">National Model Design Code<\/a><br \/>\n\u2022 Policy Exchange, <a href=\"https:\/\/policyexchange.org.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/Strong-Suburbs.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Strong Suburbs<\/a><br \/>\n\u2022 Riverside Sunderland Urban Design Challenge <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/channel\/UClE63Emi7rx4M5dIngVy0ZA?app=desktop\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">webinars<\/a><\/p>\n<h4 style=\"text-align: center;\">The AJ\u2019s Will Hurst on RetroFirst<\/h4>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-593455\" src=\"https:\/\/s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com\/emap-nibiru-prod\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2020\/11\/09140321\/RetroFirst-Logos-2019-3-3-1600x409.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1600\" height=\"409\" srcset=\"https:\/\/cdn.rt.emap.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2020\/11\/09140321\/RetroFirst-Logos-2019-3-3-1600x409.jpg 1600w, https:\/\/cdn.rt.emap.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2020\/11\/09140321\/RetroFirst-Logos-2019-3-3-1600x409-300x77.jpg 300w, https:\/\/cdn.rt.emap.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2020\/11\/09140321\/RetroFirst-Logos-2019-3-3-1600x409-768x196.jpg 768w, https:\/\/cdn.rt.emap.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2020\/11\/09140321\/RetroFirst-Logos-2019-3-3-1600x409-1024x262.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/cdn.rt.emap.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2020\/11\/09140321\/RetroFirst-Logos-2019-3-3-1600x409-230x59.jpg 230w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1600px) 100vw, 1600px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Will Hurst is the AJ&#8217;s managing editor and has spearheaded a campaign to promote the retrofit of buildings over demolition and new build. Find out more about RetroFirst <a href=\"https:\/\/www.architectsjournal.co.uk\/news\/retrofirst\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">here<\/a>, and read the letter published in The Times <a href=\"https:\/\/www.architectsjournal.co.uk\/news\/big-names-call-on-government-to-adopt-retrofirst-reforms\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">here<\/a>.<\/p>\n<h4 style=\"text-align: center;\">Owen Hatherley on Modernism and Reuse<\/h4>\n<div id=\"attachment_606922\" class=\" wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1290px;\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-606922\" src=\"https:\/\/s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com\/emap-nibiru-prod\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2021\/03\/11092013\/P1000609.jpeg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1280\" height=\"960\" srcset=\"https:\/\/cdn.rt.emap.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2021\/03\/11092013\/P1000609.jpeg 1280w, https:\/\/cdn.rt.emap.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2021\/03\/11092013\/P1000609-300x225.jpeg 300w, https:\/\/cdn.rt.emap.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2021\/03\/11092013\/P1000609-1024x768.jpeg 1024w, https:\/\/cdn.rt.emap.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2021\/03\/11092013\/P1000609-768x576.jpeg 768w, https:\/\/cdn.rt.emap.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2021\/03\/11092013\/P1000609-440x330.jpeg 440w, https:\/\/cdn.rt.emap.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2021\/03\/11092013\/P1000609-230x173.jpeg 230w, https:\/\/cdn.rt.emap.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2021\/03\/11092013\/P1000609-559x419.jpeg 559w, https:\/\/cdn.rt.emap.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2021\/03\/11092013\/P1000609-349x262.jpeg 349w, https:\/\/cdn.rt.emap.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2021\/03\/11092013\/P1000609-315x236.jpeg 315w, https:\/\/cdn.rt.emap.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2021\/03\/11092013\/P1000609-282x212.jpeg 282w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1280px) 100vw, 1280px\" \/><p class=\"wp-caption-text\">.<\/p>\n\t<p class=\"inline_image_source\" style=\"max-width: 1290px;\">Source:ModCell<\/p><\/div>\n<p>Owen is a prolific author and commentator on the intersection between politics and the built environment and culture editor at <a href=\"https:\/\/tribunemag.co.uk\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><em>Tribune<\/em><\/a> magazine. In <em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.co.uk\/Red-Metropolis-Socialism-Government-London\/dp\/191346220X\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Red Metropolis<\/a><\/em> (2020), Hatherley sets his razor-sharp gaze on, among other things, the regeneration of Southwark which has favoured demolition over reuse.<\/p>\n<p>\u2022 Owen on obsolescence and reuse in south London in the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.architectural-review.com\/essays\/changing-places-reuse-of-obsolescent-buildings-in-south-london?tkn=1\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">AR<\/a><br \/>\n\u2022 Carl Turner\u2019s <a href=\"https:\/\/turner.works\/works\/view\/peckham-levels-2\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Peckham Levels<\/a><br \/>\n\u2022\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.architectsjournal.co.uk\/news\/heritage-campaigners-slam-chapman-taylor-plans-for-coventry-city-centre\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Coventry Town Centre<\/a><br \/>\n\u2022\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.architectsjournal.co.uk\/archive\/park-hill-by-hawkinsbrown-with-studio-egret-west\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Park Hill<\/a> For more on Park Hill, listen to <a href=\"https:\/\/www.architectsjournal.co.uk\/news\/aj-climate-champions-podcast-annalie-riches\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Episode 2<\/a> with Annalie Riches<br \/>\n\u2022\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.modcell.com\/projects\/lilac-affordable-ecological-co-housing\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Lilac Housing<\/a> White Design (pictured)<\/p>\n<h3 style=\"text-align: center;\">Credits<\/h3>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">The AJ Climate Champions series is produced in association with <a href=\"https:\/\/www.architectscan.org\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">ACAN<\/a>, the Architects\u2019 Climate Action Network<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">Podcast edited by <a href=\"https:\/\/www.conceptculture.co\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Concept Culture<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">Music: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/edmilsondopifano\/?hl=en\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Edmilson do P\u00edfano<\/a>, Forr\u00f3 de dois Amigos. 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