{"id":604424,"date":"2021-03-11T09:00:01","date_gmt":"2021-03-11T09:00:01","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.architectsjournal.co.uk\/?p=604424"},"modified":"2021-03-11T10:50:32","modified_gmt":"2021-03-11T10:50:32","slug":"kate-macintosh-social-housing-trailblazer-and-jane-drew-prize-winner-speaks-to-the-aj","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.architectsjournal.co.uk\/news\/kate-macintosh-social-housing-trailblazer-and-jane-drew-prize-winner-speaks-to-the-aj","title":{"rendered":"Kate Macintosh: \u2018The idea that everyone should have decent housing is just a given\u2019"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"factfile\">\n<p>As part of the W Awards programme, Kate Macintosh will be speaking <strong>today<\/strong> (11.03) at 5pm at the Jane Drew Prize for Architecture event \u2013 <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/w-awards.architectural-review.com\/attend\">click here<\/a> <\/strong>to book your attendance<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p class=\"p1\"><b>How does it feel to have won this year\u2019s Jane Drew Prize?<br \/>\n<\/b>I can still hardly believe it. It was a bolt from the blue. When I studied at Edinburgh, Jane Drew was one of the very few women architects I had heard of. She was definitely an inspiration to me.<\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><b>Your first built project was the 300-home Dawson\u2019s Heights council housing scheme in East Dulwich. You were just 28 when you won the job. Where did the confidence to win and run that project come from?<br \/>\n<\/b>When I graduated, women made up just about 4 per cent of the profession. I [learned] that in Scandinavia they were way ahead of the UK for gender equality. So I headed off to Sweden, working with a small practice. Then I had a short stint in Copenhagen. The wife of the chap I was working for was also an architect. She was the first woman I had ever encountered who had her own practice \u2013 and quite separate from his. Then I worked in an office in Helsinki with several other women. I came back to do my Part 3 with all that experience and was absolutely bursting with confidence!<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_604427\" class=\"large_size_img_caption wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 630px;\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-large wp-image-604427\" src=\"https:\/\/s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com\/emap-nibiru-prod\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2021\/02\/18110215\/Dawsons-Heights-RIBA121698-1024x707.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"620\" height=\"428\" srcset=\"https:\/\/cdn.rt.emap.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2021\/02\/18110215\/Dawsons-Heights-RIBA121698-1024x707.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/cdn.rt.emap.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2021\/02\/18110215\/Dawsons-Heights-RIBA121698-300x207.jpg 300w, https:\/\/cdn.rt.emap.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2021\/02\/18110215\/Dawsons-Heights-RIBA121698-160x110.jpg 160w, https:\/\/cdn.rt.emap.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2021\/02\/18110215\/Dawsons-Heights-RIBA121698-230x159.jpg 230w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 620px) 100vw, 620px\" \/><p class=\"wp-caption-text\">Dawson\u2019s Heights, the East Dulwich social housing estate designed by Macintosh, built between 1964 and 1972<\/p>\n\t<p class=\"inline_image_source\" style=\"max-width: 630px;\">Source:RIBA Collections<\/p><\/div>\n<p class=\"p1\"><b>Did your experience working in Europe influence your approach to social housing here?<br \/>\n<\/b>The Scandinavian countries are much more egalitarian; the idea that everyone should have decent housing is just a given. Plus, my father, a civil engineer, got a job with Scottish Special Housing Association \u2013 a one-stop agency for designing, building, managing and maintaining housing across Scotland. He was constantly on the move, inspecting sites, so when I was at college he sometimes took me. This embedded in me the idea that you\u2019ve got to try and raise the level so nobody suffers deprivation, poverty and squalor.<\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><b>In 1965 you left Denys Lasdun\u2019s office and joined Southwark Council, where you got the Dawson\u2019s Heights brief. Why did you leave?<br \/>\n<\/b>I was very attracted to working on the National Theatre [with Lasdun]. But after a year I realised it was going to take forever to get on site and that I had next to no practical experience. The boroughs were under enormous pressure to fulfil housing targets and needed to recruit. I applied to three \u2013 Lambeth, Camden, and Southwark \u2013 and decided on Southwark. It\u2019s ironic that, having admired Southwark\u2019s high-density, low-rise schemes, such as Acorn Place and the Bonamy Estate, I designed Dawson\u2019s Heights as a medium-rise [completed in 1972]. But the combination of the fabulous and unusual views and the extremely unstable ground conditions seemed to argue for a restricted footprint.<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_604426\" class=\"large_size_img_caption wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 630px;\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-large wp-image-604426\" src=\"https:\/\/s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com\/emap-nibiru-prod\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2021\/02\/18110203\/Dawsons-Heights-elevations-1024x521.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"620\" height=\"315\" srcset=\"https:\/\/cdn.rt.emap.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2021\/02\/18110203\/Dawsons-Heights-elevations-1024x521.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/cdn.rt.emap.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2021\/02\/18110203\/Dawsons-Heights-elevations-300x153.jpg 300w, https:\/\/cdn.rt.emap.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2021\/02\/18110203\/Dawsons-Heights-elevations-230x117.jpg 230w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 620px) 100vw, 620px\" \/><p class=\"wp-caption-text\">Dawon\u2019s Heights elevations<\/p>\n\t<p class=\"inline_image_source\" style=\"max-width: 630px;\"><p class=\"empty_inline_source\"><\/p><\/p><\/div>\n<p class=\"p1\"><b>Were there any other buildings and ideas that influenced your proposal?<br \/>\n<\/b>I immensely admired Darbourne &amp; Darke\u2019s Lillington Gardens estate in Pimlico [built 1961-1971]. The primary lesson I learned from that was to express the individual dwelling within the unified complex. Many people reproached modern architecture for suppressing the individual, and making them feel of no consequence. A more heavily modelled approach which expressed individual dwellings would balance the need for identity within the totality.<\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><b>In 1969 you moved to Lambeth, where Ted Hollamby was chief architect and planner. How did your experience there differ?<br \/>\n<\/b>The Lambeth office was very well organised. We had the full range of supportive expertise: in-house QS, graphics, landscape, and Arup seconded a staff member to Lambeth to deal with smaller schemes like Leigham Court Road.<\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><b>How did you approach Leigham Court Road, the sheltered housing scheme which has since been listed and renamed Macintosh Court in your honour?<br \/>\n<\/b>Again, I was trying to give the individual dwelling some expression. I wanted to avoid any sense of it being an institution. There was this balance between encouraging conviviality but permitting people to be absolutely private. The site was a mature garden, so I set out the cluster blocks, each containing eight dwellings, in a way that no tree had to be felled.<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_604428\" class=\"large_size_img_caption wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 630px;\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-large wp-image-604428\" src=\"https:\/\/s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com\/emap-nibiru-prod\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2021\/02\/18110226\/Leigham-Court-Road-1024x724.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"620\" height=\"438\" srcset=\"https:\/\/cdn.rt.emap.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2021\/02\/18110226\/Leigham-Court-Road-1024x724.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/cdn.rt.emap.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2021\/02\/18110226\/Leigham-Court-Road-300x212.jpg 300w, https:\/\/cdn.rt.emap.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2021\/02\/18110226\/Leigham-Court-Road-230x163.jpg 230w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 620px) 100vw, 620px\" \/><p class=\"wp-caption-text\">Leigham Court Road<\/p>\n\t<p class=\"inline_image_source\" style=\"max-width: 630px;\"><p class=\"empty_inline_source\"><\/p><\/p><\/div>\n<p class=\"p1\"><b>How did you achieve that balance?<br \/>\n<\/b>It\u2019s the spaces in-between where conviviality takes place. At Dawson\u2019s Heights it\u2019s in the central space embraced by the two blocks. It\u2019s not shut off from the outside world like the Georgian squares of London and Edinburgh; people from the surrounding area can and do come in.<\/p>\n<p class=\"p4\">At Macintosh Court, all the homes have a fully private space. The covered way down the middle of the site doubles in width at the intersection with each block. This allows lingering without impeding passing neighbours. It\u2019s a little encouragement [to meet and chat]. Also the common room is at the entrance to the whole complex; there is a sense of connection to the outside, and it means anyone entering or leaving can peep in and start a conversation.<\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><b>Your work with your partner George Finch is a key part of the story of post-war public sector housing. At the time did you feel in step with your contemporaries?<br \/>\n<\/b>Well definitely at Lambeth I felt like an insider and we had a very vital social life and marvellous Christmas parties, which George mainly organised! When I was at Southwark, the Heygate and Aylesbury estate projects were going on, which I found unsympathetic. But there were other schemes in Southwark which were more humane, which have survived.<\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><b>In 1974 you joined East Sussex County Council, where you worked on a number of buildings for the Fire Brigade. How did you approach these?<br \/>\n<\/b>Halton Fire Station was my first job for East Sussex County Architects and it was a building type with which I had no familiarity. But it seemed the main aesthetic challenge was how to resolve two different very different scales \u2013 the industrial shed and the domestic, administrative building. I sought to unify them with a big saw-tooth roof, which envelops the building down to the first floor level. I also had great fun with the drill tower. It\u2019s not often architects get to design these, so I tried to do something a bit more interesting than a standard utilitarian drill structure.<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_604429\" class=\"large_size_img_caption wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 630px;\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-large wp-image-604429\" src=\"https:\/\/s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com\/emap-nibiru-prod\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2021\/02\/18110236\/Maresfield-Fire-credit-Robert-Kirkman-1024x552.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"620\" height=\"334\" srcset=\"https:\/\/cdn.rt.emap.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2021\/02\/18110236\/Maresfield-Fire-credit-Robert-Kirkman-1024x552.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/cdn.rt.emap.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2021\/02\/18110236\/Maresfield-Fire-credit-Robert-Kirkman-300x162.jpg 300w, https:\/\/cdn.rt.emap.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2021\/02\/18110236\/Maresfield-Fire-credit-Robert-Kirkman-230x124.jpg 230w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 620px) 100vw, 620px\" \/><p class=\"wp-caption-text\">Maresfield Fire Station with its seven-storey drill tower<\/p>\n\t<p class=\"inline_image_source\" style=\"max-width: 630px;\">Source:Robert Kirkman<\/p><\/div>\n<p class=\"p4\">The Maresfield Fire Brigade Training HQ [opened in 1979] has a seven-storey drill tower. It\u2019s in a tiny village and I wanted to be sensitive to the rural aesthetic, rather than impose something that had a very industrial look, so I located its high tower beside the biggest tree on the site, an enormous oak, and used the local brick.<\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><b>Explain how you approached Solent Infant School [opened in 1994], which you designed while working for Hampshire County Architects<br \/>\n<\/b>That was a very enjoyable project. The site was a former reservoir with views of Portsmouth docks. Once again I wanted to maximise the advantages and peculiarities of the site. Every classroom faces south and has an external teaching deck with this view. I could allow a separate entrance for the pupils to be in an underpass going below the building, with the head\u2019s office just above and remote from the formal entrance, which is monitored by the school secretary. From there she can discreetly monitor the children and get out on the deck directly from her office to admonish any bad behaviour.<\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><b>In 1998 you co-founded Finch Macintosh Architects and in 2005 completed Weston Adventure Playground. How did sustainability play a part in its design?<br \/>\n<\/b>The playground pre-existed but was operating out of precast garages. By that time we had educated ourselves fairly thoroughly in sustainability issues. It was a lottery-funded project, so you had to go through bureaucratic hoops to justify every bit of expenditure \u2013 things like putting PVs on the roof were out \u2013 so we concentrated on the fabric and using sustainable materials. The cladding is green oak and the roof was cedar shingles. There is some steel in the structure because we had to have a large, clear span for the play hall. The continuous dormer window opens, enabling a good draught through a natural stack effect.<\/p>\n<p class=\"p2\">The site is on quite a steep slope, so we plateaued it in a series of levels and jacked the building up a storey to give additional playspace under the building. We wanted to create alternative routes around the site so that the whole complex became an object of play.<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_604433\" class=\"large_size_img_caption wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 630px;\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-large wp-image-604433\" src=\"https:\/\/s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com\/emap-nibiru-prod\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2021\/02\/18110320\/Weston-adventure-playground-1024x709.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"620\" height=\"429\" srcset=\"https:\/\/cdn.rt.emap.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2021\/02\/18110320\/Weston-adventure-playground-1024x709.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/cdn.rt.emap.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2021\/02\/18110320\/Weston-adventure-playground-300x208.jpg 300w, https:\/\/cdn.rt.emap.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2021\/02\/18110320\/Weston-adventure-playground-160x110.jpg 160w, https:\/\/cdn.rt.emap.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2021\/02\/18110320\/Weston-adventure-playground-230x159.jpg 230w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 620px) 100vw, 620px\" \/><p class=\"wp-caption-text\">Weston Adventure Playground. Macintosh says: \u2018Internally there is a mezzanine level where the children who were less rumbustious or more reflective could retreat and do their homework\u2019<\/p>\n\t<p class=\"inline_image_source\" style=\"max-width: 630px;\">Source:Joe Low<\/p><\/div>\n<p class=\"p1\"><b>You were lucky to have worked for very enlightened clients; did you ever feel compromised as a designer?<br \/>\n<\/b>No, I don\u2019t think I did. In the case of Macintosh Court, Ted Hollamby tried to persuade me to use bricks and pitched roofs. But, as it was Lambeth\u2019s first modular scheme, I didn\u2019t want to be endlessly cutting bricks, so I just refused, and he accepted it.<\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><b>You have remained involved in the life of the buildings you\u2019ve designed. In the case of Macintosh Court, you have been an activist for the building\u2019s legacy. Were you surprised to have to take on that role?<br \/>\n<\/b>It is extraordinarily shocking that Lambeth now seems to be hell-bent on destroying the legacy of the Hollamby years. At Macintosh Court they ignored the listing protection and so you\u2019ve got these great swaths of external pipes penetrating the walls. In the case of Dawson\u2019s Heights, Historic England wrote a very favourable report calling for listing and then the secretary of state refused.<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_604431\" class=\"large_size_img_caption wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 630px;\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-large wp-image-604431\" src=\"https:\/\/s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com\/emap-nibiru-prod\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2021\/02\/18110302\/Solent-Infants-staff-entrance-1-Peter-Durrant-789x1024.jpeg\" alt=\"\" width=\"620\" height=\"805\" srcset=\"https:\/\/cdn.rt.emap.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2021\/02\/18110302\/Solent-Infants-staff-entrance-1-Peter-Durrant-789x1024.jpeg 789w, https:\/\/cdn.rt.emap.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2021\/02\/18110302\/Solent-Infants-staff-entrance-1-Peter-Durrant-231x300.jpeg 231w, https:\/\/cdn.rt.emap.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2021\/02\/18110302\/Solent-Infants-staff-entrance-1-Peter-Durrant-177x230.jpeg 177w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 620px) 100vw, 620px\" \/><p class=\"wp-caption-text\">Solent Infant School<\/p>\n\t<p class=\"inline_image_source\" style=\"max-width: 630px;\">Source:Peter Durrant<\/p><\/div>\n<p class=\"p1\"><b>Are there any recently built housing schemes that you\u2019ve been enthused by?<br \/>\n<\/b>Peter Barber is marvellous. And Mikhail Riches\u2019 work in Norwich is an amazing achievement, low-carbon social housing, all funded by the local authority on land the local authority owned. The snag is Right to Buy. What is the point of all those various arms of local government and also architecture straining every sinew to produce this much-needed resource only for it to be privatised after five years?<\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><b>Do you think the profession could do more to promote the spirit of public good that existed when you were starting your career?<br \/>\n<\/b>On the Continent the co-housing movement is very strong. In my view it provides an ideal balance between the desires of the individual and the need to be part of a community.<\/p>\n<p class=\"p4\">The largest co-housing group that I know of is Coin Street in London, which has contributed considerably to the public realm. It has a rich and complex history that involved the local community and London County Council. That kind of partnership between community groups and a sympathetic local authority can achieve wonders.<\/p>\n<p class=\"p2\"><i>Alpa Depani is an architect and placemaking lead for the London Borough of Waltham Forest<\/i><\/p>\n<div class=\"entry\">\n<div class=\"content-wrap layout-picture_content\">\n<div id=\"wrapper_sleeve\" class=\"content-inner-wrap full-width\">\n<div class=\"content container\">\n<article class=\"post-listing post-149858 post type-post status-publish format-standard has-post-thumbnail hentry category-news tag-ada-louise-huxtable-prize tag-beatriz-colomina tag-w-awards editorial-free-always-aj editorial-homepage-news editorial-news issue-january-2020\">\n<div class=\"post-inner\">\n<div class=\"entry\">\n<div class=\"factfile\">\n<p>A week of webinars and discussions celebrating the W Awards have been taking place this week (commencing 8 March). Kate Macintosh will be speaking today (11.03) at 5pm \u2013 <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/w-awards.architectural-review.com\/attend\">click here<\/a>\u00a0to book your attendance and find out more information<\/strong>.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>As part of the W Awards programme, Kate Macintosh will be speaking today (11.03) at 5pm at the Jane Drew Prize for Architecture event \u2013 click here to book your attendance How does it feel to have won this year\u2019s Jane Drew Prize? I can still hardly believe it. 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